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はじめに

あのお気に入りの旧仕様がMacBook Proに復活しました。そしてそれはM-a-gから始まります。MagSafeと思った方は残念です。“Magic Keyboard”と答えた方は、これより下の分解をご覧ください。刷新された、蝶のいない、16インチMacBook Proが登場しました。これから私たちは、素晴らしい新サーマルシステムやラウドスピーカーといったこの新モデルの内側を暴いていきます。16インチMacBook Proに関するブログポストをまずご覧になって、この完全版分解ページに戻ってきてください。

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この分解は修理ガイドでは ありません。 お持ちのMacBook Pro 16" 2019を修理する際は、iFixitの修理ガイドをご利用ください。

  1. 近年登場したMacBook Proは、Apple製品の中で最も問題を巻き起こしたデバイスです。しかし昔の旧モデルからそうだったわけではありません。この新モデルが、あの頃の問題ないフォームに戻っていることを願います。私たちが手にしている分解生贄ユニットには、次のスペックが搭載されています。 16インチLEDバックライト、IPS Retinaディスプレイ、True Toneテクノロジー、 3072 × 1920ピクセル解像度(226 ppi) 2.6 GHz 6コア Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost 使用時最大 4.5 GHz)、AMD Radeon Pro 5300Mと対応
    • 近年登場したMacBook Proは、Apple製品の中で最も問題を巻き起こしたデバイスです。しかし昔の旧モデルからそうだったわけではありません。この新モデルが、あの頃の問題ないフォームに戻っていることを願います。私たちが手にしている分解生贄ユニットには、次のスペックが搭載されています。

    • 16インチLEDバックライト、IPS Retinaディスプレイ、True Toneテクノロジー、 3072 × 1920ピクセル解像度(226 ppi)

    • 2.6 GHz 6コア Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost 使用時最大 4.5 GHz)、AMD Radeon Pro 5300Mと対応

    • 16 GB 2666 MHz DDR4オンボードメモリ

    • 512 GB SSD

    • バッテリー容量100 Wh

    • 6つのスピーカーによるサウンドシステムと高性能マイクロフォンアレイを搭載

    • 外観からでは何が変わったのか、あまり多くのことが分かりません。しかし少なくとも、Appleは消費者の”衝動買い”とならないよう、このモデルの外観を一新しませんでした。唯一確認できる変更点は、新モデル番号です。A2141とEMC3347です。

  2. パンケーキのように重ねてみると、新MacBook Proは最新の15インチモデルと比べて明らかに大きく、僅かに厚い形状です。一方、2015年モデルと比較すると、サイズは大して変わりませんが、ポートのセレクションが変わりました。 新16インチProと、2015年Proモデルを背中合わせしてみると、詳細に見なければ、両モデルはほぼ同じに見えます。ディスプレイのヒンジに変化があります。そして旧モデルProのキーがわずかに盛り上がっています。 2019年に発売された2つのMacBook Pro(15インチと新16インチ)で"間違い探し"ゲームをしてみます。
    • パンケーキのように重ねてみると、新MacBook Proは最新の15インチモデルと比べて明らかに大きく、僅かに厚い形状です。一方、2015年モデルと比較すると、サイズは大して変わりませんが、ポートのセレクションが変わりました。

    • 新16インチProと、2015年Proモデルを背中合わせしてみると、詳細に見なければ、両モデルはほぼ同じに見えます。ディスプレイのヒンジに変化があります。そして旧モデルProのキーがわずかに盛り上がっています。

    • 2019年に発売された2つのMacBook Pro(15インチと新16インチ)で"間違い探し"ゲームをしてみます。

    • 物理EscキーがTouch Barから独立しました。

    • Touch ID /電源ボタン上のマット仕上げが、キー全体と調和しています。

    • Touch Barは約19mmほど短くなりました。

    • 逆Tの矢印キー全てが、サイズ半分になりました。

    • 左側グリルをズームして高画像処理すると、改良された3つのマイクロフォンホールがカモフラージュしているのが確認できます。一度ここにあると知ってしまえば、自然と目が行ってしまいます。

  3. 持てる限りの力を発揮する時がきました。ツールをデバイスの間に滑り込ませ、取り出せたものを調べます。 キーキャップから始めましょう。iMacのMagic Keyboardを覚えていますか?これは評判高く、Appleが”コアテクノロジー”と呼んで信頼を寄せているデザインです。この新MacBook Proにも再設計されたキーボードが搭載されています。 素晴らしいテクノロジーなのに、この書き方ではあまり評価しているように聞こえないかもしれません。横に並べて、違いをなんとか探しますが見つけるのは難しいです。シザースイッチ、キーキャップどれも一緒で…唯一、キー周辺のスペースがわずかに狭くなったぐらいです。そして専門家たちはこの見直された矢印キーを見て喜ぶでしょうが、それ以外はどれも同じに見えます。
    • 持てる限りの力を発揮する時がきました。ツールをデバイスの間に滑り込ませ、取り出せたものを調べます。

    • キーキャップから始めましょう。iMacのMagic Keyboardを覚えていますか?これは評判高く、Appleが”コアテクノロジー”と呼んで信頼を寄せているデザインです。この新MacBook Proにも再設計されたキーボードが搭載されています。

    • 素晴らしいテクノロジーなのに、この書き方ではあまり評価しているように聞こえないかもしれません。横に並べて、違いをなんとか探しますが見つけるのは難しいです。シザースイッチ、キーキャップどれも一緒で…唯一、キー周辺のスペースがわずかに狭くなったぐらいです。そして専門家たちはこの見直された矢印キーを見て喜ぶでしょうが、それ以外はどれも同じに見えます。

    • ニュースフラッシュ: 新スイッチ上には、防塵用のメンブレン(薄い膜)さえ付いていません。これは非常に良いサインだと考えます。(以前のように、Doritosチップスをつまみ食いしながら分解ができるということです)

    • 外観の比較を終えるため、議論を巻き起こしながらわずか数ヶ月前に発売された15インチMacBook Pro(3番目の画像)の”バタフライ”スイッチと比較します。

    • ここで終わりではありません。2012年に発売されたMacBook Proデザインの ”Unibody” に搭載されているシザースイッチの画像を確認しましょう。

    • …そしてこのシザースイッチ構造の ”良い” キーボードを搭載したApple最後のラップトップは、2015年MacBook Pro Retinaディスプレイモデルです。

    Its hard to follow which bullet point is related to which picture.

    Gouthaman Raveendran - 返信

    You meant “there's even” and not “there's not even “ right?

    kabir - 返信

  4. シザー機構の下には何があるのでしょうか? ここにある1回毎のキーの打鍵に対して、位置エネルギーを蓄える”Appleデザインのラバードーム”をご覧ください。 ラバードームの下には、面白いパターンのバックライトアセンブリが搭載されていますー詳細は後ほど。
    • シザー機構の下には何があるのでしょうか?

    • ここにある1回毎のキーの打鍵に対して、位置エネルギーを蓄える”Appleデザインのラバードーム”をご覧ください。

    • ラバードームの下には、面白いパターンのバックライトアセンブリが搭載されていますー詳細は後ほど。

    • このバックライトアセンブリの周辺に沿って、薄い黒のガスケットが付いています。照射されたキーの先端を通過して他の場所から光が漏れないようにするためでしょう。

    • デスクトップのMagic Keyboardと再び比較して見ます。

    • 両モデルのシザー機構は大変よく似ています。古いMagicシザーはほんの少し厚みがあります。(1.6mmと1.38 mm)

    • 0.22 mmの差は、大したことではないように聞こえますが、このスレンダーな新シザースイッチを再設計するために、様々なエンジニア技術が注ぎ込まれているのは間違いありません。

  5. 厚さの違いはあるものの、これらのキーボードは大変よく似ているので、黒いMagicキーと白いキーボードを入れ替えてみることにしました。さてどうなるでしょう… *天国からのコーラス* マジックの天地創造です。
    • 厚さの違いはあるものの、これらのキーボードは大変よく似ているので、黒いMagicキーと白いキーボードを入れ替えてみることにしました。さてどうなるでしょう…

    • *天国からのコーラス* マジックの天地創造です。

    • そうです、2015年の白いMagic Keyboardのキーキャップが16インチMacBook Proキーボードとシザー機構にぴたりとはまります!キーの交換成功です!

    • 古いMagic KeyboardのCommandキーは小さくなりました。(そのためキー周辺のスペースが広くなりました)そして新モデルのキーと比べて厚みがあります。

    • 全てのキーに互換性があるわけではありません。そして古いMagicキーにはバックパネル用に各文字が透明加工されていません。キーボードを改造したい人たちは、あまり喜ばないようにしましょう。

    Let’s start Modding of Macbook Pro :)

    Pavel - 返信

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  7. キーボードの点検が終わったので(今のところは)、筐体を外して、その内側を見てみましょう。 Appleは、プレスリリースのGIF画像でこんな怒ったフクロウを紹介しています。しかし、私たちがまだ見ていないものは高エネルギーX線で透視したフクロウです。このふてくされた顔の裏にあるものを暴いてみましょう。 X線をかけると、さらに機嫌が悪くなりました!逃げるしかありません!幸いなことに、友人のCreative Electronが全てのリスクを負ってくれました。ようやく落ち着いたので、解体作業を再開しましょう。
    • キーボードの点検が終わったので(今のところは)、筐体を外して、その内側を見てみましょう。

    • Appleは、プレスリリースのGIF画像でこんな怒ったフクロウを紹介しています。しかし、私たちがまだ見ていないものは高エネルギーX線で透視したフクロウです。このふてくされた顔の裏にあるものを暴いてみましょう。

    • X線をかけると、さらに機嫌が悪くなりました!逃げるしかありません!幸いなことに、友人のCreative Electronが全てのリスクを負ってくれました。ようやく落ち着いたので、解体作業を再開しましょう。

    I’m still not clear on how exactly the keyboards are different - all the snark got in the way, but quite bemused by the ‘angry owl’!

    Kit - 返信

  8. トルクスねじには、私たちのMarlinドライバーがあれば対応できます。 このデバイス内部を開くと、ミステリーが待っています。マスクをはめたMacBookです!ひょっとして、ここに居るのは?ブルース・ウェイン? AppleはこのMacBook Proのサーマルデザインに大幅な改良を施したことを宣伝しています。そしてこのヒートシンクは35%も増大しなったようです。
    • トルクスねじには、私たちのMarlinドライバーがあれば対応できます。

    • このデバイス内部を開くと、ミステリーが待っています。マスクをはめたMacBookです!ひょっとして、ここに居るのは?ブルース・ウェイン

    • AppleはこのMacBook Proのサーマルデザインに大幅な改良を施したことを宣伝しています。そしてこのヒートシンクは35%も増大しなったようです。

    • 新GDDR6チップと思われるものを覆うアップグレードされたハードウェアを見つけました。コッパーシールドと2つのアルミ製サーマルパッドです。

  9. このロジックボードがどうしても口髭にしか見えないので、櫛でコーミングしてみましょう。櫛に引っかかったチップがあります。 第9世代Intel Core i7-9750Hヘキサコアプロセッサ
    • このロジックボードがどうしても口髭にしか見えないので、櫛でコーミングしてみましょう。櫛に引っかかったチップがあります。

    • 第9世代Intel Core i7-9750Hヘキサコアプロセッサ

    • 16x Micron MT40A1G8SA-075 8 Gb DDR4 SDRAM (合計16 GB)

    • AMDRadeon Pro 5300MモバイルGPU

    • 4x Samsung K4Z80325BC-HC14 8 Gb GDDR6 RAM (合計4 GB)

    • 東芝 TSB4227VE8434CHNA11926とTSB4227VE8437CHNA11926 フラッシュストーレッジ (合計512 GB)

    • Apple T2 APL1027 339S00536コプロセッサ

    • Intel JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3コントローラー

    Five (5) NAND packages… Doesn’t that strike anyone else as odd? How does that possibly work out to 512 GB?

    repoman27 - 返信

    Same question here. One for redundancy? Want to know how 1T,2T,4T,8T organized.

    Walter - 返信

    For the GDDR RAM, you say “8Gb” and then “4GB total”…can you clarify that notation? Is there 4GB of GDDR in the machine, or 8? If onul y 4, then what does the “8Gb” refer to?

    dontinw - 返信

    8Gb is the capacity for single GDDR6 chip. There are four 8Gb GDDR6 chips. Total video memory capacity is 32Gb(4GB).

    JJ Wu -

    @dontinw: 8Gb is 8 gigabit (how memory and flash manufacturers specify chip capacities). 8 bits to a byte, so 8Gb = 1GB (capital B). So 4 x 8Gb chips for a total of 4GB GDDR6 RAM.

    Colin Ng - 返信

    @repoman27 @Walter Five flash chips is a little odd, but flash chips are made in odd sizes. The 2018 Retina MacBook Air had three flash chips at 43 GB each for a total of 129 GB, sold as 128. This was also the reason for its weird 1.5 TB max capacity. The 2019 refresh dropped to two chips.

    My bet is 103 GB flash chips are a little bit cheaper per gigabyte than 128 GB. 1 TB and up will probably be eight chips.

    Zimmie - 返信

    Can the hard disks be easily upgraded?

    L Tan - 返信

    Is this “Apple T2 APL1027 339S00536 coprocessor “ there to protect boards from 3rd party and unauthorized repairs?

    Babak - 返信

    Ostensibly no. It’s a hardware encryption co-processor. It allows for much higher speeds while maintaining very high levels of encryption.

    It also integrates many extra functions. It replaces many of the discrete components into a single black box as well.

    System Management Controller, image signal processor, audio controller, and SSD controller

    Taken from https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208862

    It also is the core of Touch ID and all of the secure boot and encrypted storage functions.

    However there are concerns that this may become the fact. As this is the SMC (System Management Controller) it could be used to track the serial numbers or other applicable identifiers to make sure that no component is replaced without an AASP resetting the coding.

    This is only a concern but with apple and the iphone error 53 fiasco we know they obviously have no qualms screwing over their customers to prevent 3rd party repairs.

    Grant Spedding -

    Where is the Soundchip / DAC?

    Edit: Sorry, next Step. maybe the Renesas 225101C

    Ballerjockel - 返信

  10. シリコンコーミングを続けます。砂からシリコンが出て現れました。このやり方は間違っているでしょうか? IntelSR40Fプラットフォームコントローラーハブ
    • シリコンコーミングを続けます。砂からシリコンが出て現れました。このやり方は間違っているでしょうか

    • IntelSR40Fプラットフォームコントローラーハブ

    • Texas Instruments CD3217B12 (パワーコントローラーと推測)

    • 338S00267-A0 (Apple PMICと推測)

    • Texas Instruments TPS51980Bパワーコントローラー

    • 339S00610 (Apple Wi-Fi/Bluetoothモジュールと推測)

    • Intersil 6277 PWMモジュレーター

    • Renesas 225101C

    It’s a pretty minor bit of silicon, but I also spy an NXP CBTL06142 DisplayPort 1.2 switch in between the CPU and GPU, likely for switching between integrated and discrete graphics for the built in display panel. This one is marked 6142E, but several previous iFixit Mac teardowns have revealed either the 6142F variant, or the Diodes Incorporated (Pericom) equivalent PI3WVR12612. For instance, the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar has a pair of these to share the two display outputs from the integrated GPU with both Thunderbolt 3 controllers.

    And is the Intel QMS380 chipset custom for Apple or does this appear elsewhere? It’s tiny compared to the normal PCH package.

    repoman27 - 返信

    You have listed a WiFi/Bluetooth module there. I can’t it’s location marked on the board. Can you tell me if it is a fixed module solded to the board. I only ask as Apple has again not gone the full Monty and only put in an AC spec wifi module when they have included the AX spec in the new phones.

    Michael Rapkins - 返信

    I can’t tell which component is the Apple 339S00610 WiFi/Bluetooth module in that illustration. Is it still on an m.2 card, or has it been soldered to the motherboard now?

    Bryce Glover - 返信

    @ Michaek Rapkins & Bryce Glover: It’s the silver component circled in light blue in the second image. It’s a Broadcom based combo SiP module from Universal Scientific Industrial (USI), and it’s soldered to the logic board.

    repoman27 -

  11. マザーボードが取り出せたので、サーマルデザイン以外のパーツを点検します。 15インチ2019年モデルを下に重ねて見比べると、新MacBook Proには明らかに大型の排気口が搭載されています。 より大きく頑丈な羽根が付いた新しいファンと排気口が連動すれば、28%以上増加した空気を新Proモデルから押し出せます。
    • マザーボードが取り出せたので、サーマルデザイン以外のパーツを点検します。

    • 15インチ2019年モデルを下に重ねて見比べると、新MacBook Proには明らかに大型の排気口が搭載されています。

    • より大きく頑丈な羽根が付いた新しいファンと排気口が連動すれば、28%以上増加した空気を新Proモデルから押し出せます。

    • こう表記すると、大した排熱量ではないように聞こえます。しかしこの改良の結果、16インチProでは、かなりの集中した作業量でも12ワット以上のパワーを維持することができると言われています。

    The dancing indie video game creatures are adorable!

    Kent Jenkins - 返信

  12. キーボードのバックライトの下にMagicがあることを期待して、これを慎重に剥がします。 バックライトアセンブリに入っているものは、フレキシブルディフィーザーで、LEDが発光するライトをエッジに沿って照射します。このフレキシブルなディフューザーは一般的ですが、このモデルは特別なエッチングがされており、輝度を最大にしたり、均一に保つことができるようです。 バックライトの下、メタル製キーボードフレームのエッジに沿って、ペンタローブP2ネジが数本使用されています。もしかすると? Doritosの食べこぼしで潰れたキーを交換するために、外して交換ができるのでしょうか?
    • キーボードのバックライトの下にMagicがあることを期待して、これを慎重に剥がします。

    • バックライトアセンブリに入っているものは、フレキシブルディフィーザーで、LEDが発光するライトをエッジに沿って照射します。このフレキシブルなディフューザーは一般的ですが、このモデルは特別なエッチングがされており、輝度を最大にしたり、均一に保つことができるようです。

    • バックライトの下、メタル製キーボードフレームのエッジに沿って、ペンタローブP2ネジが数本使用されています。もしかすると? Doritosの食べこぼしで潰れたキーを交換するために、外して交換ができるのでしょうか?

    • Nooooo!このモデルでも、キーボードアセンブリはリベット(ピン)で固定されています。スイッチは小さなゴミなどの危険な侵入者に対して、耐久性があるようですが、このキーボードは、Butterflyキーボードと比べて修理難易度が改善されることはありません。

    • つまるところ、2016年に出戻りです。修理できないデザインの新しいキーボードです。そしてAppleの約束の言葉”壊れない”を信じるしかありません。そしてこのモデルはAppleのキーボードサービスプログラムの対象となっていません。ということは… : /

    • 唯一の残された希望は、この新キーボードのデザインが、耐久性があった過去のApple製品キーボードと酷似していることです。

    • このキーボードを点検せずに、次の作業に移れません。できる限りキーボードをこじ開けて、その仕組みを調査します。フレキシブルなPCBレイヤーがキーと、ボタンが打鍵されるメタル製バックライトの間に挟まっています。しかし、ここにマジックはありません。

    Apple keyboards are notoriously prone to liquid damage. Would have been nice with screws.

    Matthias - 返信

    “Apple keyboards are notoriously prone to liquid damage. Would have been nice with screws.”

    No, Apple doesn’t like its products repairable. Reparability means recyclability means less profit for Apple.

    Harry - 返信

  13. これで私たちが新キーボードに抱いていた疑問は解決されました。その他のパーツに注目します。 まず最初に、拡張された筐体の中に入った素晴らしい新XLサイズのEarPodsスピーカーです。この各スピーカーには上向き/下向きのウーファーが搭載されています。 上下を向いたウーファーの目的は、振動をキャンセルするためでしょう。この機能は、新AirPods Proに付いているアンチノイズ機能に似ています。しかし…ベースが付いています。これはアンチベースと呼ぶのでしょうか?
    • これで私たちが新キーボードに抱いていた疑問は解決されました。その他のパーツに注目します。

    • まず最初に、拡張された筐体の中に入った素晴らしい新XLサイズのEarPodsスピーカーです。この各スピーカーには上向き/下向きのウーファーが搭載されています。

    • 上下を向いたウーファーの目的は、振動をキャンセルするためでしょう。この機能は、新AirPods Proに付いているアンチノイズ機能に似ています。しかし…ベースが付いています。これはアンチベースと呼ぶのでしょうか?

    • この筐体に付いている細長い部分は一体何なのか確かではありません。この新しい形は音質を向上させるために、サウンドをリダイレクトするものではないかと推測します。2つ目のウーファーを搭載するためのスペースが必要だったのかもしれません?

    • 次に取り出すのは、別のサウンドアップグレード機能です。すなわち”高性能”な3つのマイクアレイです。2018年MacBook Airの3つのマイクアレイの配置とよく似ていますが、こちらの方が高音質マイクという意味では、頑丈に見えます。

    • 最後に、この99.8 Whリチウムイオンバッテリー (11.36 V, 8790 mAh) は、米国連邦航空局(FAA)より厳しい監視を受けるでしょう。機内持ち込み制限(100Wh)をかろうじてクリアしているからです。

    • これはMacBook史上、最大容量のバッテリーです。17インチMacBook Proの容量を4.8 Wh上回り、最新15インチMacBook Proの容量からなんと16.2 Whも増量しました。

    • バッテリー容量の増大はどこから来たのでしょうか?AppleのiPhone 11では、非常によく似たバッテリーセルが搭載されています。サイズを計測すると、平均で0.8 mm厚くなりました。

    The battery is only .3 Wh larger than the 2015 MBP 15”, though, which has a 99.5Wh battery: https://support.apple.com/kb/sp719?local... So you would probably be better off mentioning that than the 17” macbook pro, which is almost a decade old at this point.

    steven - 返信

    The speaker enclosures are mostly to eat the sound which would otherwise radiate from the back of the driver. A free-floating electromagnetic speaker radiates from both sides of the membrane, but 180º out of phase, and the resulting audio interferes with itself in complicated ways. By having one face radiate into an enclosure, you get less self-interference. The problem is enclosures contain air, radiating sound into them compresses that air, and air doesn’t want to be compressed. A larger enclosure presents less resistance to the driver’s movement. Odd shapes don’t help quite as much as regular shapes, but the added volume is still beneficial.

    Zimmie - 返信

  14. 分解アップデート: ここにある小さなフレックスケーブルは何のためにあるのでしょうか?初めてこのケーブルを見ました。 親切にもMacRumorsが私たちにこのケーブルについて尋ねてくれました。 これを調査するにはディスプレイを完全に外さなければなりません。新しいセンサーは左側ヒンジに向かって付いており、マグネットがヒンジの中に埋め込まれています。マグネット上の矢印は、ディスプレイの開閉と同時に動き、その位置とNS極性を計測します。 Appleはリッド(蓋)アングルセンサーを加えたようです。なぜこのセンサーが必要なのでしょうか?これがあれば、macOSの新機能が可能になるのでしょうか?
    • 分解アップデート: ここにある小さなフレックスケーブルは何のためにあるのでしょうか?初めてこのケーブルを見ました。 親切にもMacRumorsが私たちにこのケーブルについて尋ねてくれました。

    • これを調査するにはディスプレイを完全に外さなければなりません。新しいセンサーは左側ヒンジに向かって付いており、マグネットがヒンジの中に埋め込まれています。マグネット上の矢印は、ディスプレイの開閉と同時に動き、その位置とNS極性を計測します。

    • Appleはリッド(蓋)アングルセンサーを加えたようです。なぜこのセンサーが必要なのでしょうか?これがあれば、macOSの新機能が可能になるのでしょうか?

    • 多分そうでしょう。Appleにとって修理が必要な時には、デバイスの使用状態を追跡できる賢い利点もありそうです。例えばディスプレイケーブルが緩くなっている場合、Appleはどの程度、どの頻度でディスプレイが調節されたかを把握することができるでしょう。

    • MacRumorはこのセンサーについて、更なる調査をしました。Appleは修理後、この小さなセンサーをキャリブレーションさせたいことが判明しました。この件に関するブログポストをご覧ください!

    Is it possible this is an environmental source of randomness (for encryption)?

    Joseph - 返信

    I wonder if they doing some HRTF audio tricks and bouncing sound off the display, it does have amazing stereo imaging. The sensor may allow them to calculate the screen angle and adjust output. I suppose it could be used to improve the mic noise cancelling with the same info, calculating delay/distance to the reflected sound off the display

    mail - 返信

    Its still a Hall sensor! In this case is a radial sensor so the rotation is sensed. The 2019 used two edge sensors just in front of the USB ports (L&R) to sense the lifting of the lid. The only thing I can think of is if you are using an external display with a BT/USB keyboard/mouse/trackpad the lid could be placed at an angle so the speakers can broadcast outwards. The three microphones could even be used to measure the reflectance, similar to the HomePod.

    Dan - 返信

    Apple wants this little sensor calibrated after repairs.

    I hope they don't use this as another way to curtail repair (think iPhone XS battery). I can see it now:

    Cannot adjust brightness. Please visit AASP for calibration.

    Patrick Lienau - 返信

    Not really a tech, but could it be used to detect clamshell mode for some reason?

    kevinharter - 返信

    I would guess that with six speakers, two fans and a haptic touchpad, they were running out of spots to place the pair of a magnet and hall effect sensor where they wouldn’t get cross-talk from other magnets. Sticking the pair right on the hinge and measuring rotation makes sense in that there was probably less competition for space there. The tradeoff is the need to calibrate the hall effect response rather than doing a more naive binary threshold.

    Nirav Patel - 返信

    This is a welcome improvement over the old, too sensitive sleep sense arrangement. This will prevent the machine from waking when the display is barely lifted from park and will also eliminate waking if a key is depressed when the display is closed - which can easily occur since the display rests just 0.40 mm above the keys when folded. Noticed this immediately while qualifying RadTech’s ScreenSavrz for this machine.

    John Grzeskowiak - 返信

    if combined with time and logged a complete lid-position history. will be created, which could be used for research purposes. Info about typical viewing angle could be a subject. However, so fare John Grzeskowiak’s comment is my favourite for the correct answer.

    bjoern holst jespersen - 返信

    Agreeing with John, this would just seem to be a replacement for the old laptop close sensor.

    It would need to be recalibrated after repairs because a hall effect sensor and magnet pair form a vary… analog… arrangement. That is, while the values should be very repeatable in ‘static’ arrangement, as soon as things get jostled about, the values could jump quite significantly from pre-jostled ones.

    Eric Merrill - 返信

    Eek. I can smell what they are planning on doing, and not in a good way.

    But how cool is a lid-angle measuring device? Pretty cool if you ask me…

    If you think a magnetic closing lid is to disrupt microphones, think again. Most lids now more or less have magnetic-assisted closing motion, anyway.

    Xavier Jiang - 返信

    I can see it as a way to replace the old “lid closed” sensor. Especially if you wear an Apple watch with a magnetic clasp. I’ve had a MacBook Pros go to sleep while I was using it because the band I had on was using a magnetic clasp, trigging a false lid closed.

    tech - 返信

  15. この新MacBook Proを分解した後の私たちの感情を吐露するべく、置き画にしてみました。
    • この新MacBook Proを分解した後の私たちの感情を吐露するべく、置き画にしてみました。

    • 素晴らしい新旧のシザー機構は、デリケートなバタフライキーボードより耐久性がありそうですが、今回もキーボードアセンブリ全体がリベットされています。

    • 改善されたサーマルシステムは、熱暴走してしまうProラインにとって、待ち望んでいた改良です。

    • 99.8 Whバッテリーは、FAAレーダーの監視下に置かれるでしょう。最新15インチモデルより、16.2 Whも容量が増えました。ケースサイズは僅かしか大きくなっていないのに、これほど容量が増えるのは驚きです。

    • 新しいスピーカーにポッドキャストレベルの超高性能なマイクアレイ、巨大なスクリーンなどが搭載されている一方で、Appleならもっと良いデザインができるという残念な思いが生じます。特に、Microsoftが最新ラップトップモデルを修理しやすいデザインに一新させた本物のエンジニアマジックを見た後ではそう感じざるを得ません。2020年Proモデルが私たちの息をも飲み込ませるほどのものを登場させてくれることを期待しています。

    • 残された作業は、このデバイスにリペアビリティのスコアを付けることです。

  16. まとめ
    • トラックパッドは取り外しができ、簡単に交換できます。
    • マイナーなコンポーネントはモジュールですが、プロセッサ、RAMとフラッシュメモリはロジックボードに半田付けされています。
    • 接着剤と/もしくはリベットでキーボード、バッテリー、スピーカーそしてTouch Barを固定しているため、これらのコンポーネントの修理には技術が必要です。
    • Touch IDセンサーは電源スイッチで、ロジックボードに閉じ込められているため、修理が非常に複雑です。
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almost no repair choices even though its a “pro” device

Gage - 返信

What does being a “pro” device have to do with high repairability? “Pro” (itself more of a marketing term than a technical one) covers a proud range of areas. My sister is a pro graphic designer. She can do amazing things with illustrator or photoshop. She couldn’t tell you the next thing about processors or keyboard switches. For her the “pro” is what she can get done, not whether or not she can pop open the case. I’d be willing to lay odds thats true for a lot of people.

Repairability and pro are not connected. Some people value the former, some the later, some both, some neither.

kreutz -

In response to kreutz.

Hypothetical:

The Pro Graphic Designer is working on a commission that has taken several weeks. She has completed another days worth of work while out and about (the main point of a laptop, portability) someone drops liquid into the unit and it fails.

She could just redo the hours of work she just lost after her last backup (assuming she is someone who backs up religiously), however her deadline is tomorrow morning.

If she is using a true pro device she could drop by a computer repair place. Have them remove the SSD and recover the data. (in the macbook pro the SSD is soldered and even if it wasn’t the T2 chip prevents an external computer from reading it). If she is using the “PRO” device that apple sells she is $@$* out of luck and has to pull an all nighter to redo the work or loose the commission and be out all of the work she has done.

The ability to respond to unexpected situations damage, moisture, internal failure or design fault is what should set a PRO device apart.

Grant Spedding -

@grantspedding The T2 does not prevent an external computer from reading the SSD. It is connected to one of the USB-C ports. There is a tool you can connect which will boot the T2 in DFU mode, prompt for the user’s password, tell the T2 to load the SSD, then dump all the data to an external drive.

Though I seriously wonder what professional would use a machine with no backups of in-flight work. Especially when it’s a Mac, and every macOS since 10.5 in 2007 has included Time Machine.

Zimmie -

For those suggesting that the moniker PRO doesn’t need to mean ‘repairable’, ‘accessible’, ‘non-complicated’, just consider any other PRO industry who relies hugely on repairability and the ability to get inside their devices / tools / instruments to keep them going as long as possible. A music producer wouldn’t throw away a 50 channel recording deck because 2 channels failed one day. A musician wouldn’t put their guitar in the dump because a machine head broke, $10 would get that musician back on stage again. A chef that finds their knife no longer sharp doesn’t look for the bin and a wholesale knife catalogue to buy a new one, they get a hone, or a stone and in 10 minutes their knife is possibly as good as new.

Apple have chosen this route for us and all to shave a few millimetres and grammes off laptops that Pro’s need to have as functional as possible. The moniker PRO is assumed to not only be top quality but top at saving the day when $@$* hits the fan and these machines are no longer that.

John Ward -

Between work I’ve done at an advertising agency, and a free lance photographer; you’d be amazed how many people market themselves as "Pros” but don’t have any backup of their work. Or they have a single external HDD which has all their work and accept that as their backup because time machine is running on it. The idea of “PRO” here is its Apple’s highest end laptop, and people can feel like calling themselves “pro” is justified. This has nothing to do with sensible backup strategies or thinking ahead to the what if scenario of a computer failure.

Gouthaman Raveendran -

@zimmie So if the motherboard fails completely. ie when a mac gets a whiff of moisture in the air (hyperbole obviously) and the main board craps out and cannot enter DFU mode. What then?

Grant Spedding -

@kreutz Additionally I would agree that the PRO moniker is massively overused/misused however all of Apple’s marketing really emphasizes specifically pro use.

As you said

“Repairability and pro are not connected. Some people value the former, some the later, some both, some neither.”

I would argue however that the pro you are referring to is a marketing gimmick just like “Mitsubishi Heavy Industries” in reference to normal domestic air conditioners. It has no right to claim the “Pro” moniker just as the air con has no right to claim “Heavy Industries”. So the people valuing PRO are quite literally valuing an empty marketing promise over something that could save their business when something goes wrong.

Grant Spedding -

@grantspedding You CAN do that, but not always. For example, recovering data after damaging the laptop would be much harder since everything is encrypted. If the T2 chip is damaged in some way (by water, for example), then all of the data on there is unrecoverable.

Ethan Zuo -

@ethanzuo

The T2 chip is separate to my issues with this unit. Yes (very) theoretically you could recover from a damaged board. If you look at a comment above by Phillip Hue this requires several things including an intact T2 Chip and power rails to supply power.

However my big problem is the use of an ssd soldered to the motherboard. With a removable ssd it is possible to recover data even if the rest of the board has literal holes in it, components completely corroded off the board or if the USB-C ports are damaged (as in the comment above by Phillip specifies that these are required). My problem is with the way that apple have chosen to have absolutely no replaceable parts.

1 Ram chip fails… That’s a motherboard

1 Ssd chip fails… That’s a motherboard

A USB-C socket fails… That’s a motherboard

The wifi module fails… That’s a motherboard

anything goes wrong… That’s a motherboard

It’s a wasteful and anti consumer decision that cannot be justified

Grant Spedding -

As a pro user, there’s definitely something to be said for repairability. However, as any pro should know, you never trust any one device or system completely. 99.9999% reliability still isn’t quite perfect, and I’ve experienced failures. That’s why I have backups. I NEVER rely on one storage medium. It’s much easier for me to quickly recover a file from Backblaze and work on another machine.. Price is also an important factor - it’s much less costly for me to quickly download a file and get back to work on a backup computer and FedEx my laptop to get repaired under warranty than it is to take time out of my day, pay out of pocket, and wait for a repair shop to recover my data. SSDs fail too, and being able to remove an SSD doesn’t do me much good if it’s what’s broken. Most of us work from servers or external drives regardless. Repairability matters, but my camera bag is already heavier than I’d like - if I have to sacrifice repairability for my back health, I’ll take it

Ashley Ryan -

well well. like 30 years of PRO models by every single other manufacturer.. well including apple till 2015, including Mac Pro. one of the best examples is HP Probook. it is clearly designed to be serviceable, you can swap the hard drive with 2 screws, you can clean fans, you can replace keyboard, etc. PRO means that you do not need to buy a new one as soon as you drop a few drops of liquid.

inwerp -

oh boy…why even allow it to be opened in the first place? rivets and glue just make this design worse.. I think you need to have a negative number for your review system- thx for the work on busting open these devices.

MND DESIGN - 返信

i wish they would just allow the batteries to be easily replaced at the very minimum

jamieexeter - 返信

Step 8. It says “Toshiba TSB4227VE8434CHNA11926 and TSB4227VE8437CHNA11926 flash storage (512 GB total)”.

Does it mean that it has two SSD sticks? RAID? Thanks!

Peter Gamble - 返信

Just two NAND modules, one controller, so not RAID

nitesh singh -

Individual LEDs under each key cap are gone. Guess it can’t all be wins, I did like how much more precise the light was without bleeding out around it. Does the new one have more light bleed then?

nitesh singh - 返信

Thanks for the teardown! Did they fix the fragile display cable? Or is that still bound to break?

Felix - 返信

Hey Felix! It’s hard to say for sure whether they’ve totally fixed it, but last year they adjusted the length of the cables in question and as far as I know, those machines have yet to experience any display or backlight issues directly related to those cables. The 16” Pro’s display cables are still precariously placed and built into the display, but like the “improved” Pros of last year, they seem to have enough slack that they shouldn’t get stretched over the display controller board and short out over time.

Taylor Dixon -

Thanks Taylor!

Felix -

Men, I really hoped we would see replaceable RAM or SSD. I am still waiting out with a fully upgraded Macbook Pro 13 2012 non retina.

Guess I have a little longer to wait for a replacement. Nice to see the keyboard fixed though.

Peterdk - 返信

Same here :( but low tech is the futur … ^^;

snoid2 -

I’m dissapointed about flash memory. The flash memory is soldered!!!! :(

Estoy decepcionado sobre el almacenamiento flash. El almacenamiento flash está soldado!!!! :(

joerfrada - 返信

What’s the difference between TSB4227VE8434CHNA11926 and TSB4227VE8437CHNA11926 SSD?

Jay S - 返信

No mention of the soldered on flex cable between the display and the motherboard. Is that still the case with this model?

wiggin - 返信

Had the same question and got this very informative answer: MacBook Pro 16インチ 2019の分解

Felix -

I’m not sure it’s technically correct to conclude that “the keyboard itself isn't any more repairable than the Butterfly boards” just because the keyboard assembly is riveted in place. The Butterfly keyboards were less repairable than Apple’s 2015 Scissor keyboards, which were also riveted in place.

The Butterfly keyboards didn’t allow you to remove/replace keycaps, so if debris got underneath the key, your only hope was to spray some compressed air around the edge of the key and hope for the best. The ability to remove a keycap, spray for debris, and then replace the keycap itself makes this keyboard at least a little more repairable. (The MacBook keyboard has never had replaceable keyswitches AFIAK.)

dan - 返信

This is a bummer. I should have waited until this release, before I bought mine. I really want the 32Gb. I was hoping to be able to upgrade it.

limegrntaln - 返信

At least batteries should be replaceable with removable stretch tape. If half the computer has to be thrown away to replace a keyboard or battery, this is not environmentally friendly.

Richard Burton - 返信

Hopefully Apple can apply the same improvements to the 13” to make it a 14” and change how batteries are attached to improve repair ability.

Richard Burton - 返信

UWB - Ultra Wide Band Chip anywhere?

Steffen Thieringer - 返信

Why does it weight 2x an LG gram? Would love to see you tear down one of those and compare the weight of each part

Gregg Tavares - 返信

Shame that people still buy these units. Soldered on everything is an absolute joke. What's even more comical is seeing all the articles come out commenting on the much improved keyboard. Does anyone even acknowledge the stupidity of that statement? It's a 2k-6k laptop and that's all the majority of people care about? Thank you for everything you do here, hopefully one day I'll be able to upgrade my 2011 17” mbp.

Mike M - 返信

You nailed it. A decent keyboard is kinda expected, right? Not to mention that the Apple has been trying to quietly kill the MacOS for a long time. It needs a complete overhaul. iOS on ARM processors is the future, right? Buying a Macbook Pro is more costly than the initial inflated (customer gouging) purchase price. Open up the wallet people!! $379 + service fees.

AppleCare+ for MacBook Air and MacBook Pro includes:

Three years (total) limited hardware warranty.

Three years (total) technical support.

Coverage for two incidents of accidental damage (subject to a service fee of $99 for screen damage or $299 for other damage)

Customer901428 -

What makes a PRO device PRO is not necessarily “upgradeability” (which is also true) but repairability and compatibility…

When you have a memory, storage or any component failure (battery, display, etc) and you have to change the whole unit (maybe at your own expense) this is not a PRO device, it’s just a very fancy consumer product.

When you have to change your peripherals (PRO expensive peripherals you have acquired through years) just because your new “PRO” computer has changed the connectors and forces you to buy converters, dongles and all kind of expensive $@$* just to connect your existing equipment to a computer from the same manufacturer, then you don’t have a PRO computer. Even if it does have “PRO” in the name.

When you are forced to buy new equipment every 2 or 3 years to keep pace with the always-changing technology, or just to cover repair costs, you are never capable of getting a return of investment. That’s not a PRO equipment.

esmuposible - 返信

I have been waiting for a fixed keyboard and 16 inch MacBook for a while. $@$*!& repairability, but it looks like I don’t have any other option other than buying it. Don’t want to go back to Windows, nor buying 2015 Macbook :(

Javanshir Alammadli - 返信

Apple uses recycled aluminum for their bottom line, not to protect the environment from unnecessary waste. If you can repair you own MacBook Pro, then you don’t need to pay the Apple tax. Apple is terrified of losing a revenue stream. State of California, where are your right to repair laws? Laws for everything else. What a joke! Say one thing, do the opposite. My Lenovo Thinkpad (repairable) is more enjoyable to use, and gives me access to Ubuntu and Windows 10. Gaming and a work covered. My use cases for Macbook Pro, web browsing, email, imessage, and photo editing. Is the Macbook Pro worth the cost for mainstream users, not really. “innovation” (or reverse “innovation”) is being celebrated. Basically, it works like this, Apple makes a design decision for you in a vacuum. Then, you have to wait years and years for Apple to admit the mistake (if they do) and reverse it. If you have to buy a Macbook Pro, get it used for half the cost and help the environment from less Apple waste.

Customer901428 - 返信

After nearly 8 years with my upgraded mid 2012 MacBook Pro Unibody, I decided it is time to get the 2019 16”.

With 4TB of SSD, 16gb ram and 2.7ghz Quad, there hasn’t been enough of a leap (or really a need) to get a new machine for my needs (lightroom, photoshop, indesign, illustrator). I’m uncomfortable with the all-soldered board - I’ve had 3 SSD failures on my current machine, but they were always an easy swap. Gone through 4 batteries as well.

With Ethernet, FW800, USB3, and ease of serviceability I believe this is one of the last truly Pro laptops from Apple. Unfortunately, quality parts are getting harder come by. The old keyboard needed to be replaced but is not as good as the original. Batteries from iFixit are failing much quicker than the Apple component. Cant even find a protective case for it these days.

I hope I can get the same amount of years out of the 2019 16”.

jason - 返信

Shameless laptop, MUCH overpriced, no PRO at all, Will past………… A JOKE AT BEST

maximinlida - 返信

@zimmie Youre actually wrong about the T2 part, specifically how it actually works. I work as an AASP technician, heres how it works. 1: it is not a tool, its a secondary macbook running apples Data Transfer Utility, which is part of the Mac Confoguration Utility Suite provided to us. 2: In order to *use* those utilities, you must have access to an AST2 account (https://diagnostics..apple.com) and be authorized to use that tool by whatever AASP you work for, or be authorized by apple for an apple store style job. 3: you must *also* have an active repair in apples GSX system (Global Service Exchange, gsx.apple.com) AND have the Logic Board (or replacement laptop) added to the repair itself. If no replacement board is added, then this utility tells you to f*ck off. 4: This tool 100% relies on the fact that T2, CD3215, USB-C port, NAND, and any relevant power rails and data lines are not dead or broken. If your T2 chip died, or a power fail on the board responsible for T2 dies, or NAND on the board dies, or any similar issues, youre f*cked. Plain and simple. You *have* to do board repait at that point to get it to a state where this actually works, assuming it isnt NAND , T2, or ISL9240 that killed itself. If these killed themselves then you have 0 chance of recovery since you cannot get these parts at all. Since you worded it as if any plain Jane can do it, youre intentionally making your argument invalid and youre also spreading misinformation about apples repair side and peoples ability as a consumer to actually practice recovering data form theirt dead macbooks.

Phillip Hue - 返信

If you can get the machine to boot into Thunderbolt Target mode and have another Mac available, you can recover your own data. And every SSD has the same issues if the controller, SDRAM cache if present, enough NAND dies / packages, or host interface cease to function. The additional complexity of the Mac logic board does mean there’s a lot more opportunity for things to go wrong though. But you’d also be surprised what professional data recovery services are capable of, even going back to the days of spinning disks. If you’re comfortable doing BGA rework in the first place, it’s not that big of a deal to transfer a known good PMIC from another logic board. And depending on the circumstances, the data recovery may be worth enough to the customer to pay for something like that.

repoman27 -

@repoman27 While you are correct that involved repairs that require specialized equipment and training IE BGA rework. can recover almost anything from a macbook in any condition. Have you ever checked the cost of having someone do BGA rework on a motherboard? And will Apple ever offer the service?

And failing that will Apple ever help 3rd parties to complete these type of repairs, ie supply the required parts and manuals?

If you watch some of Louis Rossmann’s videos regarding parts availability and the CBS special on taking a macbook with a simple fault that was immediately quoted the cost of the unit and with no data intact.

Apple could resolve this cheaply and simply by making the SSD removable and to use either a removable TPM or include the encryption method on the SSD to allow for it to be connected to another system for data recovery.

Grant Spedding -

I won’t buy a new computer unless it’s repairable and upgradable. Apple is very close to loosing my 35 year allegiance (and I have purchased dozens of Macs over that period). The Windows notebooks my employer furnishes are not as pretty but they are way more repairable and upgradable. Apple charges more and used to offer top quality and longevity in exchange. Their last 4 or 5 years have been a downward spiral in both “advantages” accelerated by a string of buggy OS releases.

gary - 返信

Pro is short for prostitute.

It just means that you get paid for doing it.

I expect a Pro device to be designed to minimise the chance of it needing repair.

Generally repairability is achieved at the expense of reliability.

Ifixit, great as they are, are biased on this topic as they make their money from device repairs. They have every motive to promote repairability over reliability.

Alex Bowden - 返信

Let’s park the name pro. This is a very expensive laptop. So it should work for 8 - 10 years. In order to do so, it must be possible to upgrade and repair. But it is not.

Besides, our earth is fragile and has limited resources. Repair helps the planet. But this fancy laptop can hardly be repaired.

Ooh Apple, why are you so money focussed in stead of creativity focussed? Where are all the new devices and creative designs that you used to make in the past? We only see more of the same: thinner, lighter, with better battery and with a subwoofer. But no new products at all. No new groundbreaking pro software either. Apple was fighting Big Blue/ The System back in the 80’s. I’ll guess Apple itself is now The System…

Danny - 返信

The bottom cover’s screws are still P5?

tong1774 - 返信

Correct! They are still P5.

Arthur Shi -

They COULD do better, but why would they?

Apple is the only company with their own wireless (no blame for delivering Airdrop), apple-branded SSD (what the heck), T2 “security chip”.

That have nothing to do with “Pro”. That said, “Pro” users most likely will modify their hardware to suit their needs (or swap out broken stuff to make it live longer) but as far as I know this is against Apple’s intentions.

Hey, they still use screws.

Xavier Jiang - 返信

10 points to Gryffindor for the Angry Face tear-down layout. Well played. As for the unit itself, I’m thrilled that they got so many of the crucial details right: massive RAM and SSD options (RAM reasonably priced, SSD…not so much), more battery, reliable heat dispersion, a keyboard we know works and feels right, and a small improvement in screen real-estate. I’m still on my original MBPr from 2013, and she’s still a workhorse. But the years are showing and it’s time to put her out to pasture. To those people who claim MacBooks are way overpriced, I counter with my nearly 7 year old MBPr and say, “$2,800 over 6 years is a pretty damned good ROI.” Hopefully, this new 16” will see 5-7 years as well.

I just wish Apple would bring back the glowing  and the boot-chime…C'est la vie

AniMill - 返信

Here’s another perspective on the “Pro” label. One might say, “who cares about ease of repairs if you’ve got a paid service plan like AppleCare…however they do it, it’ll get taken care of”. In the PC world, the business line of Dell’s laptops (“Latitude” labeled) are designed to be *very* repairable, especially compared to their lowest end products. How does this help the “pro” user? Pro’s who use their laptop every working second of the day really *hate* to part with it for long, especially if it is still mostly functional. It means that when someone has a broken keyboard, we can arrange for a company rep to visit on-site (This is included in the sub $200 service plan) and they’ll sit at our conference table and replace the keyboard in under an hour (their toolset consisting primarily of a few phillips head screwdrivers). Compare that to taking their MBP to the Apple Store and being told they’ll have it back in 2 days (or so).

davidw - 返信

Overpriced paperweights. That is all these things are. The very idea that Apple makes it so difficult, if not impossible to repair your system, or even perform some of the most basic types of upgrades that virtually every other manufacturer allows you to make, is just a huge middle finger to their customers. I’m not gonna drop $2,500 on something that I can’t repair if something happens or goes wrong. I will stick with my $800 - $1,200 Windows machines that I know I can repair if needed. My current $850 lappy is still going strong after about 5 years of heavy use, and shows no sign of slowing down.

And Alex Bowden, Apple is equally, if not MORE biased in making sure that you are forced to purchase more of their products as often as possible, and they do that by making their devices unable to be repaired, or even upgrade-able. (Really? You can’t even let us upgrade the SSD now?)

Ryan Clarke - 返信

I have to say the word “PRO” or Professional was or is an important factor in the ability to keep on going, or have the choice to make upgrades or any improvements along the way. As a person who has spent over 30 years in the “Pro” Audio recording business we have spent thousands of “Extra $” for the ability to repair, or upgrade as needed. And as quickly as possible! In the “Pro” markets, hardware, firmware and software upgrades are part of the deal. We anticipate the expected as well as the the unexpected. We do NOT spend tons of $ to “Use once, Then Throw Away “ I had considered buying the new 16” unit…. but now I shall pass after seeing what iFix-it has revealed to all of us “Pro” folks in the field. Another day, another dollar .

vic - 返信

And yet Apple still refused to cool the VRMs properly. Those things will throttle like !&&* under full load, throttling the CPU and GPU. Why couldn’t they just put a copper plate on that covers the CPU, GPU, VRMs, and GDDR6? If I pay this much for it, I better not have an incentive to break into it with a screwdriver and a pack of thermal pads!

Ethan Zuo - 返信

I don’t know how to put a thumbs up for definition of PRO for Grant Spedding & John Ward. Good jobs

Babak - 返信

What about the cable connecting the LCD to the logic board? With the 2016+ MBP 15-Inch the cable was fixed on the LCD side and overtime got pinched. Did they fix this with the 16-inch?

Update: Flexgate issue -> https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/21/18634...

manish328 - 返信

I will have to await an iMac redesign that will allow easy opening for cleaning/repairs/upgrades. Absent that, I will simply continue to make do with my late 2013 Macpro. While not upgradeable, except for memory and ssd, at least it is engineered to be dismantled for repairs. (Note ifixit’s repairability score.) The trash can’s performance is more than usable for my purposes, and it does run cool - the cpu rarely gets above 65C. Apple can’t seem to get it through their heads that the marketplace is demanding a repairable MacBook, and failure to provide one is only going to do continuing damage to their reputation.

Robert Meppelink - 返信

I will correct myself here and say that the marketplace seems to be wanting a Macbook pro with a user replaceable ssd and battery, to be done with minimal tools, simply by removing the bottom cover. This would probably require the Macbook pro to be thicker, and very noticeably so. No one would care.

Robert Meppelink -

Do you see the flexgate issue recurring in this new MBP? It seems that with new design comes problems and i’m skeptical that they may have overseen the display flex cable issue this year.

Any clarification would be appreciated

Brian Ramirez - 返信

I have owned and used many Apple products since 1999 (a relative newcomer, I admit, compared to many). It has always been for me a love/hate relationship. But lately, there’s been a lot more on the hate side than the love side. This 16” MBP does nothing to change that perception. I currently am using two 15” MBPs, a company-supplied 2018 i7 Touch Bar model, and a personally owned 2015 i7 Retina. The former has been rather a disappointment all the way around, while the latter is likely the last MBP I will ever buy, unless Apple changes course. I cannot, and will not, support the concept that devices with a finite number of write cycles should ever be soldered to a motherboard, let alone the lack of upgradeability.

My 2015 recently received a 2TB NVMe M.2 SSD upgrade, and actually has better R/W performance than the 2018. Cost around $200. I don’t even want to know what a comparable upgrade would cost for the 2018.

Useful lifespan used to be an Apple selling point. Not anymore, it seems.

Jeff Cook - 返信

Apple’s trend towards soldered-on components and deliberately complicating repairs really makes me sad. I have tried to leave to other systems several times but I love the Apple ecosystem and always come back for it. The new continuity features are just amazing, especially SideCar… !&&*, I would spring for one of these new MBPs if they were more repair and upgrade friendly! but I’m not dropping $3k on something that, if a necessary component breaks a year later after warranty is up, will leave me out hundreds or thousands of $$ for costly repairs.

Apple wants people to just buy another one or pay a lot of $ for their Apple Care scam. Well, screw you too Apple, I’ll just keep buying older used Apple products on Craigslist and not give you any $ until you get your act together.

Tyson Roehrkasse - 返信

I’m so salty that I bought a $4500 MacBook Pro like 3 months aaago. See what I did there? Any chance I can slaap one of those keyboards in for this HORRIBLE butterfly junk?

Drew Payment - 返信

I see whattt you did there! Unfortunately, the internal frames between the butterfly and scissor keyboards are different and not swappable without considerable modifications.

Arthur Shi -

Hello what about the screen câbles which HAD problems before. Are they better now ?

Nicolas Rat's - 返信

Guess I’m keeping my 2010 pro another year at least…

turcottesh - 返信

Curious whether this uses “TouchID 1” like the other Macbook Pros, or if we’ve gotten an upgrade to the faster TouchID 2 introduced in the iPhone 6S.

Eric Jacobsen - 返信

do you discuss and demonstrate the complications of removing the bottom cover to this 16” computer? where is the demonstrating of pulling it off in your video? after taking screws out of the bottom cover, it is complicating to unhook it from the machine via specialized hooks - unlike older macbook pro computers.

please notate, thanks.

tiko - 返信

tiko, these bottom covers are pesky to remove! We don’t have a guide for this 16” MBP yet, but you can check out our guide for the 15”—the procedure is the same. Hope this helps!

Taylor Dixon -

Hi! Thanks for the article. Can you please give a bit more details how to remove the speakers? Are they just glued?

sir_paul - 返信

I’ve been in both the broadcast and consumer end of electronic repair for several decades and the label “Pro” use to be tied directly to the accessibility and repair-ability of electronic equipment. Pro equipment was designed to be repaired and maintained with relatively easy access. There where call outs on circuit boards and tie points for test equipment along with straight forward disassembly and reassembly. None of that existed on cheap consumer, non “Pro” equipment. Apple has merged the “Pro” and “Consumer” moniker to some degree with the high price of “Pro” and the inability to maintain or repair that embodies cheap “Consumer” equipment. They have not done themselves a great service by taking this approach.

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