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Tefal Actifry - Convection Cooker. First launched in 2006, this revolutionary, versatile fryer allows you to cook a wide range of meals economically and its also safer and easier to clean than other fryers

Heating Element not turning on, fuses appear good (EDIT from NOT good)

I've read the other question about the heating element though it was solved with a fuse replacement rather than a heating element replacement. A preliminary test across two of the visible fuses showed continuity across both although the one with the clear glass tube showed no visible signs of being blown. I couldn't see under the white covering of the larger one.
(EDIT: My bad, fuses with continuity imply good fuses as point out by commenter Jayeff - thank you)

Would suspect heating element as a possibility. More details in my comment on Jayeffs answer below.

Are there any skilled hobbyists who can advise on more in depth troubleshooting?

If I solve my problem I have pledged to making a disassembly guide for the T-fal Actifry but at this point I'm just ready to give up on the repair.

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Hi @repairaddi48009,

When directly testing fuses with an Ohmmeter, a reading of 0.00 Ohms i.e. short circuit indicates that the fuse is OK.

Any reading higher than this or even OL i.e. open circuit indicates it is faulty.

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What is the model number of the cooker?

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Hi Jayeff, my apologies for the brain fart. Thank you for the correction, I know that well but mis-wrote in my post. I edited the title and part of the text to reflect that.


Yes the fuses are good. The resistance across the heater element coil when disconnected from the circuit board it about 13 ohms.

Also when turned on there is no detectable voltage (a/c or dc) across the heater element connector terminals on the circuit board itself (again with the heater element disconnected). I would suspect there would be some voltage enough to power the element?

The model number of the cooker is: SERIE O01 (looks like the letter O then the number zero followed by a 1)


Also thank you for how to add images.

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Hi @repairaddi48009

You may have to check if the relay is operating on the board, (faulty /burnt out contacts?).

looking at the image you posted one heater wire is very close to it so I think that it would switch the active AC leg through, the Neutral being common to other components etc.

Looking at the specs on the relay it's a hjr 3ff s hf 48V relay DC type so you may be able to operate it using a smaller DC supply (with the AC disconnected) and if so check if its contacts have continuity when it is operated. At the very least if you can't operate it you can check the relay coil for continuity.

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Hi @repairaddi48009

The specifications of the relay as shown by the datasheet, state that the coil resistance is 6.4K Ohms for the 48V relay.

Given its resistance I doubt that a 9V battery would operate it, although you may hear it buzz or hum trying to do so. 3 x 9V batteries connected in series connection i.e. 27V may just operate it, given that they would supply 50% of the current required to operate the relay, but then maybe not either.

Looking at the Form C, 5 pin configuration diagram, shown in the datasheet, the coil is connected between the two outer pins in the group of three pins i.e. pins 2 and 5 and I assume that the AC power connects between pins 1 and 3 when the relay is operated.

To help identify which pin is which, the wire near the relay going to the heater as seen in the image you posted should be connected to either pin1 (middle pin of group of 3 pins) or pin 3 (one of the two outer pins).

If the coil is OK i.e. resistance is ~6.4K Ohms then you will have to prove that there's continuity through the relay contacts with the relay operated. If not then they're burnt out or there's another problem with the relay e.g. relay armature off its knife edge or faulty/broken lever spring contact lifter. In either case the relay will need to be replaced.

If the relay contacts are OK i.e. there's continuity through them with the relay operated, then the relay's operate circuit will have to be traced and then drawn down as a schematic, using point to point testing with an Ohmmeter to find out why it isn't operating and what components are used in the path to operate it (is there a thermostat?) etc. Bit difficult maybe but check for DC voltage on the coil operate pin and check if it is there when required. Be careful as there will also be (or should be) AC voltage on the relay contacts as well

It would be a whole lot easier with a service manual for the cooker showing a schematic of the board itself but I can't find it online which is not surprising given that a lot of manufacturers either don't supply spare parts as they don't want to repair it, or don't want others to repair it by providing such information as it isn't in their business model to do so. They'd rather just sell new ones, Sorry about the rant ;-)

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Hi Jayeff, thank you once again for your support and patience!

If I'm not mistaken, for that relay there is a cluster of 3 pins in a line and the control pins are the outer 2 pins. I'm not sure if a 9 volt battery is enough to test with but when I did a test with a 9 volt battery I heard no clicking or triggering of the relay. Would I need a higher voltage for test purposes?

As well the resistance between those two pins was infinite and if I'm not mistaken it should be between say, 20 and 200 ohms.

These two tests were done with the relay still soldered to the circuit board and nothing plugged in.

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Thanks again, Jayeff. I managed to connect 5x 9 volt batteries in series and it did not trigger the relay from anything I could hear. The resistance across the coil measured about 6,200 ohms in line with the spec. With the ~43v applied (not all fresh batteries) I measured continuity across the relay (load) contacts and got no continuity. So if I did everything correctly and 43v should have been enough to trigger the relay I'm assuming the relay may be the culprit.

You've been more than helpful so I won't bother you further. I'm going to order a new relay and post the results here after it arrives and I do a replacement.

(Added note: Amazon.ca wanted $50-65 for the relay that was available on AliExpress for $0.91 plus about $3 shipping. So I advise anyone looking for parts to check out the latter rather than the former.

No worries for the rant ... I like rants and agree with the right to repair. Actually the CEO of iFixit was on a Netflix documentary called The Shopping Conspiracy talking about this issue.)

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@repairaddi48009

Rereading the datasheet, the max operating voltage should only be 36V.

Another way to prove if the relay operated besides testing for continuity between pins 1 & 3 is to check that initially there is continuity between pins 1 & 4 and if the relay operates then it is open circuit between pins 1 & 4.

The relay contacts are a changeover set which change the connection from pin 1 & 4 (nothing is connected to pin 4 I assume?) over to pin 1 & 3 when the relay operates.

Hopefully the AliExpress relay is OK quality wise. There's got to be some reason for that much price disparity

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From the back of the circuit board I can't see a definite solder point to pin 4 so I don't even know if there is one. But good idea! I think since I'm planning on replacing the relay anyway, I'll just de-solder it, be able to get a good look at its underside and do your recommended testing from there.

Regarding AliExpress ... for sure, though I do know many Amazon sellers inflate their prices ridiculously and AliExpress usually carries electronics from Chinese suppliers with huge quantities. In any case I'll definitely make sure it's working before installing it.

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I would go to the back of the board and inspect the solder joints, checking continuity and ohms. A component, like the white fuse, can have continuity but if it doesn’t have the correct ohms it won’t work.

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RepairAddict さん、ありがとうございました!
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