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My iPhone 4 has new kind of screw

My iPhone 4 has a new kind of screw. What type are they and what tools do I need to remove them? I included photos here: http://yfrog.com/0rx9qjx

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Where did you buy your iPhone 4? We've only seen Phillips #00 screws from US iPhones, but we have seen screws like this on iPhone 4s in Japan.

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i bought it from uk...

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any help ?

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Are these the screws you're talking about? http://images.apple.com/iphone/gallery/i...

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Hey Kashar, I tried looking at your pictures, but it's still very difficult to see the screws. Could you light up the bottom of the phone with some good lights (bring the bottom of the phone close to a desk lamp, etc.) and take a photo with the "macro" mode of your camera? That will give us a much better idea of what kind of screw type we're dealing with.

Original iPhone 4 images on Apple's site had star-shaped screws on it -- are these the screws found on your phone? If so, they're a variant of the tamper resistant Torx Plus patented screws. They are basically star-shaped instead of six-sided, with no post in the middle of the screw head.

If so, you can (very carefully!) use a small flathead screwdriver to turn the screws. We haven't done it ourselves with such a small star-shaped screw, since all our iPhone 4s had normal Phillips screws, but it should be possible.

Update 1/20/11

We published a blog post today that explains in detail what these "Pentalobe" screws are, and why Apple is using them in their devices. You can use our iPhone 4 screw replacement guide and Liberation Kit to replace these diabolical screws with standard #00 Phillips units!

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here are some more pics hope these are more visible

http://img837.yfrog.com/g/o3p.jpg/

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No these are NOT TORX screws. TORX screws have 6 points. These screws have 5 points. A 5 point star. We need to find the actual name and size for this type of bit so we can attempt to find some a quality driver. I have bought some very high quality drivers on Amazon made by Wera in Germany. They make really good small screwdrivers. But I have no idea if they even make one that will fit the new iPhone 4 screws because I don't know what these type of screws are actually called.

Anyone know the actual technical name and size for the bit that will fit these ?

I too have ordered the Chinese ones from eBay ( I hope it fits when I get it ? ) but I would like to get a quality driver like those made by Wera.

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According to my e-search they are called TORX security plus. And appear to be measured using an IPA Scale. IPA8 is the smallest I can find reference to. But these screws are more like IPA4.

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lol

the screws/screwdriver are used by companies. i know certain nokia phones have the same screws and the screwdriver is not for sale. only available at the manufacturing buildings. the ebay posted one is a torx screwdriver i think a t5. which is pretty big.

just try using a #000 phillps strip the screw a bit. then superglue the screwdriver to it. im gonna try it tomorrow

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this guy is selling the 5 point screwdriver

already sold 3 in 1 day. hope its legit

check it out

http://cgi.ebay.com/iphone-4-4G-5-point-...

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There's a trick I've learned that has come in quite handy when I've come across screw's with strange tip's like on old gaming system's. I take an old bic pen and pull the ink out. Then I use a lighter to carefully melt the end of the bic pen just enough to be mold-able (Not too much or you could risk melting the plastic housing of whatever you are taking screws out of) and then while it is hot I press the heated end of the plastic down onto the screw making sure it is as straight as possible and holding it there for 2-3 minutes, until it's cooled back to room temperature, with enough pressure that it allows the plastic to mold to the tip of the screw. If done properly you now have a home made screw driver lol.

I figure a bic pen would be too big for the screws on the iphone, but maybe you could find something else, like a cocktail spear or something.

I recommend trying this out on something inexpensive first before trying on the iphone though. I used this tons on like nintendo 64's and gamecube's and stuff and worked great. but sometimes the plastic casing on the system would melt slightly if I heated the pen too much. A little practice though and I haven't done that in a long time. So if you try this you have been forwarned lol. really works good for me though. good luck

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@ rage are we talking about the writing end or the other end.

and @ martiansoldier link me please

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I have heard of doing this, too, in the context of the Gamecube.

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Good tip, one that I've used before, however it really only applies to certain applications. I really don't think it would work on smaller screws, and it's best for male fasteners (i.e. screws with protruding rather than recessed heads).

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@ Tarek Sebak I usually use the writing end after pulling out the ink and everything as it is easier to get the smaller side to form into the screw.

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I received my screwdriver set that I bought on eBay and one of the two screwdrivers that was included in the set matches the new iPhone screws like it was made for the new screws (and it very likely was specially made for these screws). It doesn't strip the screws and there is no sign of screwdriver usage even after removing screws a couple of times.

I bought mine from here.

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I had my iphone 4 exchanged today. They swapped out my week 39 phone for a week 46 and the new phone has the new star screws. These are neither phillips (4 spokes) nor torx (6 spokes). These have only 5 spokes and are very very small; identical to the ones shown on this pic.

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I just placed an order for 2 sets from the site martiansoldier recommended. Hopefully they will work. Will post back results in a couple of weeks when I have the tool. In the meantime I'm going to try the superglue method. Thank to all for your ideas.

== Update ==

I did order 2 sets from the site martiansoldier recommended and got them yesterday. They do in fact contain the * shaped bit screwdriver needed to open the new type screws. +1 martiansoldier. Thanks!

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Where can i find the screwdriver for the new screws of the iphone 4?

Do you have it on your shop?

it's some kind of torx but with 5 lobes.

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@ Jorge: There are a few vendors on eBay selling the new screwdrivers and claim to match the new 5 pointed star screw heads for the iPhone 4. I have one on of those on order and will have to wait 3 weeks before it gets to the US from Hong Kong. Hopefully wit will work.

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u got a link to the ebay sellers

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Here are all the guides we have for the iPhone 4 Repair.

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The iPhone 4 we used for our guides (and all iPhone 4s we're seen in the US) have normal Phillips #00 screws. It seems some iPhone 4s in other countries shipped with the 5-pointed Torx screws. We don't have a screwdriver with exactly the right bit to remove those screws just yet.

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i have seen all those i am just asking how to open these anyone seen these before ?

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yes i have seen the screws i live in japan and my iphone 4 has the crazy small 5 star screw. its smaller than a torx T1. i had to get a really small flat head and get a file and file it down a little bit at a time then use a magnifying glass and try it until i got it right. it was a pain but it did work i went on ebay and ordered some normal Phillips and put them in instead.

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any news on those screwdrivers? do those macbook air ones fit the iphone 4 as well? isn't it bigger?

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Yes, I ordered the same set and it seems that that's exactly what everybody need (including you Matic) :)

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Sweet I purchased a few sets!! Great looking kit for $4.50, cant wait to see how it works on star screws!!!!

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ps. that should work as well http://cgi.ebay.com/Opening-tools-kit-se...

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I hope that this will be okay.

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These new tamper-resistant screws are pretty annoying! Here at the iFixit office we had to open an iPhone 4 with those screws and after a couple attempts at different things, we settled on the "superglue method". Usually used for striped screws, the method basically involves supergluing a screwdriver to the screw, waiting for it to set, then unscrewing. The screw should easily break off from the drive once removed. Good luck and let us know how it goes!

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what kind of screwdriver did you glue it too? I couldn't even find a flat screwdriver that small :/

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I have screws like this. Which screwdriver do you recommed me?

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OK, so a lot of searching and still no answer as to what size these are, and exactly what kind. I want a nice screwdriver not a plastic one as part of a kit. Cheers.

EDIT: Have fairly trustworthy source tell me that they are not security Torx.

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I just ordered the screwdriver from here.

This place is a USA seller so shipping should be much faster. The kit appears to be the same as those coming in from Asia. He probably bought a big batch wholesale from Asia.

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We should think about setting up a pool for all these special tools Apple gadgets want. They do not want you in your machnes, period!

It goes as far that you bring your iPhone with Phillips screws to the geieus bar for repair and get it back with 3 or 5 wing "tamper proof"

screws. Let's tamper with it ;-)

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looks like tamper-resistant torx in the 5 lobed variety. These are and have been commonly used on many of the European cars in various applications such as motor, brakes, lights and interior trim. These should be about the right dimension and can give you an idea which size you might be looking for. The screws that Apple installed on the iPhone 4 is T1

Size Inch point to point [in] Metric point to point [mm]

T1 .031 .81

T2 .036 .93

T10 .107 2.74

T15 .128 3.27

T20 .151 3.86

Looks like very limited availability :) http://www.traderscity.com/board/product...

and http://www.8starshop.com/en/12-in-1-comp...

Good luck and do not forget to change the screws to something a little more manageable....

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oldTurkey03 - thanks for the measurement breakout. That helps.

That AppleOEMParts.com site looks very shady. From their full white conversion kit page: "no refunds on this item because the nature of this item but we've never had one single return!" Well yah. If you don't offer a refund obviously no one is going to return the product. Plus their front glass pieces look yellowed.

I'm still waiting on my security torx plus screwdriver from Truesupplier.com.

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These screws are pentalobe screws, to open it and to put in standard phillips ones, get iFixit's iPhone 4 Liberation Kit.

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You need a Pentalobe Screwdriver they have them here on iFixit, a 5-point Pentalobe screw the iPhone 4 and 4S uses. Apple are trying to 'screw' us over man!

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My boyfriend extracted the stripped screw that held the battery in place by using a pair of nail clippers as pliers. He gripped the edges of the screw with the head of the clippers (I can't remember if he used a concave or convex one but either should work) and twisted until it came loose, then replaced the battery as shown in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYvjuWg06...

The 4s battery swelled a year and a half after getting his phone, but when he took it to the Apple store the sales rep claimed they couldn't replace it due to a potential explosion and his only option was to buy a replacement phone (of course) for $150.

He ordered an iPhone battery replacement kit from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009SJG...) and tried the screwdrivers that came in various repair kits but they were all too big, and also attempted the superglue method but couldn't get the screw to stick. Thankfully he was able to replace the battery after discovering the nail clippers could work as pliers, and nothing exploded (in yo face, Apple store!)

Good luck :)

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This should help:

iPhone 4S Liberation Kit

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kashar さん、ありがとうございました!
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